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The casting in Raimi's films was awful except for the villains.

Like, what was with the ages of Uncle Ben and Aunt May? They were about 20 years too old.
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Does 8 years not make sense? This film is 2017, Iron Man was 2008, Iron Man 2/Thor/The Incredible Hulk a year later, then The Avengers a few months after that. Does that not work? Are there other things contradicting this?

So anyway, I really liked this film. It is probably the best Spider-Man film, but I am too scared to rewatch Spider-Man 2 to verify this (scared because it probably holds up terribly).

I really, really liked their version of MJ, it was a great take on a character that Raimi did terribly. Also although the trailers revealed a lot about the film's structure (it is a Sony film, after all) there were some great surprises.
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That is one 2000s ass theme.
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Somewhere between 1 and 3.

The marketing is clearly geared towards adults, and Nintendo have said as much themselves. However, kids can still enjoy the platform just fine.
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This is the thing - I don't think there are such uses. You would not call bats birds or dolphins fish (people used to!). It is needlessly confusing. Casual use must adapt as science advances, and the only way to do this is education. You're kind of arguing for still calling Pluto a planet.

Just to clarify what I said earlier by the way, Reptilia is the parent class of the Diapsida, shared with the Anapsida which are all extinct.
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The whole thing about science is that it moves forward. We have changed the definitions.

When taxonomy started, it was purely morphological. Now it has shifted to evolutionary, because we now have the technology to do this. It was actually a huge rearrangement of the tree of life, really interesting stuff.

However, you have to understand that Reptilia is a clade the same as Diapsida, we don't just call diapsids reptiles. That seems to be your point of confusion.
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There isn't a strict logic to the ordering of the names. You start at species and go up. You could definitely redefine reptiles to exclude archosaurs, but there's no real will or reason to do this.

But is there a real will or reason for why it SHOULDN'T be that way?

That's my point. If there's not, then it's just as arbitrary.

Because the term was originally envisioned with them in mind, so why exclude them to exclude a very similar group? You can say it's arbitrary but only in the way all names are arbitrary.

foolm0r0n posted...

Why not just keep calling reptiles "everything under reptilia except birds" which is very simple and uncontroversial?

Because the word reptiles=Reptilia literally, it would be extremely confusing. Just say non-avian reptiles.
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I'm struggling with the same stuff Maria brought up

If the point is to find the smallest groups, then why does "reptiles" start ABOVE archosaurs/lepidosaurs? Why can't "reptiles" be lepidosaurs and archosaurs be something else? And how can birds be = reptiles, but crocodiles can't be = birds if they're both under "reptiles?"

There isn't a strict logic to the ordering of the names. You start at species and go up. You could definitely redefine reptiles to exclude archosaurs, but there's no real will or reason to do this. Crocodiles are not birds because they form a separate monophyletic clade. That's really all there is to it.

Think about it this way: pidgeons are birds and penguins are birds but pidgeons are not penguins.
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Mammals and reptiles DO form separate clades within one larger clade.

So, then, using the image Maria provided...

Why make the ruling that Diapsids are all reptiles, but Amniotes can be classified as different things? Why can't Archosaurs and Lepidosaurs be classified differently?

I think you're a bit confused here. They ARE classified differently, within the same parent group. Think about it this way: my family is a separate unit to your family, but we are all within the same species.
MariaTaylor posted...

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No, this isn't really true. Mammals and reptiles DO form separate clades within one larger clade. Yes, everything is related but that's the entire point - all life comes from one ancestor.

what is your opinion on the synapsids on the tree posted above, then? what are the "mammal-like reptiles"? if they are reptiles then why are mammals not also considered reptiles? and if they are not reptiles then does that mean they are mammals? or something else?

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Additionally birds have many, many physiological similarities with reptiles, and any rule you make to exclude them WILL be arbitrary. You will also have some trouble coming up with a rule that excludes only modern birds. It would be like excluding humans from mammals.

just out of curiosity though why would you prefer to say that birds are reptiles and not crocodiles = birds? is there any particular reason to do it this way? or is it just because that's what we are taught to do?

The answer to your two posts is the same. The purpose of classification is to find the smallest possible groups. Generally stopping at species, which is a whole separate issue. This is why we separate crocodiles and birds. What they are called is fairly meaningless, but the division is important. They must be separate for classifications to work and be non-arbitrary. As for mammal-like reptiles, that's easy - the term is out of date. Proto-mammals would be more accurate and is increasingly used.
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What Maria is saying is not technically wrong, but I would be hard pressed to find a scientist who believes that morphological classification is relevant unless you're purely comparing physiology. Additionally it's very misleading to say that birds are substantially physiologically different since so are many different groups of reptile. Additionally birds have many, many physiological similarities with reptiles, and any rule you make to exclude them WILL be arbitrary. You will also have some trouble coming up with a rule that excludes only modern birds. It would be like excluding humans from mammals.

Linnaean classification and morphology are used in some fields where it is relevant. However, no taxonomist or anyone concerned with classification would use it. It is not used for classification.

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My issue with the evolutionary method, and correct me if I'm wrong here since I have only very basic knowledge from a college class or two, is that going by evolution, then mammals are the same as reptiles, as well, and thus where things are classed as the "same" or not just depends on where the cutoff begins.

No, this isn't really true. Mammals and reptiles DO form separate clades within one larger clade. Yes, everything is related but that's the entire point - all life comes from one ancestor.

Think of it this way: you have a nuclear family, an extended family, an extended family once removed, etc. Same basic principle - different units within one whole. Also, all life contains many of the same features, so what you say is true morphologically.

Edit: Simply put, crocodiles aren't flightless birds because birds exclude crocodiles, non-avian dinosaurs are also not flightless birds. They are all archosaurs. Easy.
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Also classification is absolutely not arbitrary!

In the context that is being used here, a clade (class, species, whatever) is a monophyleyic group that includes all descendants of a common ancestor. You cannot form such a group that includes all other reptiles but excludes birds. There IS a consensus on this.
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I have a degree in Zoology and work in genetics and evolutionary biology, and birds are 100% reptiles. You cannot form a monophyletic clade that includes all reptiles to the exclusion of birds. They belong to the class Reptilia, and thus they are taxonomically reptiles. Taxonomy is no longer morphological, it's evolutionary.

Now, you could have a term for a paraphyletic group (one that cannot exclude all others) like "herpetofauna" (non-avian reptiles and amphibians) but you wouldn't say "reptile" in this context as it would be very confusing to use this term for both the entire class and a group that excludes birds. Just say "non-avian reptiles".

Also not all dinosaurs are birds, but all birds are dinosaurs so there you go.
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It's generally called the K-T event or K-T extinction.
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I guess pre-order numbers are bad then

It's not especially surprising, after the Street Fighter V mess and Infinite looking bad at E3 along with a poorly received demo, it's easy to see people adopting a wait and see attitude. Street Fighter V straight up bombed, so you can see this doing poorly. Though maybe it will be good and win people over by word of mouth and reviees.
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Called it.
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So what was the worst in 2016 besides Trump becoming President and the so-called celebrity deaths(which is going to get worse and worse with each passing year)?

recency bias

Brexit. There was the threat of the far-right in Europe which has now subsided. Just general political uneasiness. Horrible treatment of a lot of people too.

Also on a much lighter note it was a crappy year for media.

It was alright for me. On a personal level the worst was no doubt 2012. However I still voted 2016.
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It's diminished but it's still there.

There has definitely been a move to PC and Mobile, but games for a casual audience still get made for consoles.
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I don't think it's fair to say style over substance. It's certainly a stylish action movie but it's backed up by a great script with some fun turns in it, especially regarding the villains.
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Edgar Wright already has a pretty damn good record, but this may be his best film.

If this film doesn't get some editing and sound nods at the Oscars, I will riot.
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Oh my god the latest GBE Megadate is incredible.

There is a lot of alcohol involved.
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I got bored.
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I always thought Trent Reznor would be playing a character when he appeared on the cast list. Guess not.

Anyway, I have now watched this episode. That was certainly something, alright.
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I haven't watched this episode yet, but if we're just naming the greatest episodes in TV history, Heaven Sent.
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Wait is Barricade still alive even after this film? That's great.

Also it should be mentioned that as this film opened on Wednesday, the $69 million figure was for the 5-day window, it's weekend total was a terrible $45 million. That's less than half what the third one did also opening on the same day.
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See, the plot points you listed sound like they should be amazing. It is a testament to this film that something so insane can be so dull.

TheRock1525 posted...

BTW, the movie only made $69 domestically, by far the worst Transformers opening...

But it made $200 million overseas, including $125 million in China.

Bear in mind it is still well behind expectations overseas as well, even in China it should end up making $100 million less than the last one. This film could end up with less than $800 million and this used to be a billion dollar franchise. This summer has kind of been the reckoning for bad blockbuster franchises, especially in the US. People want good films.
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It's not a great game but it was very ambitious for its time and set the stage for Xenoblade, which is an awesome game.

It's at least a lot better than XI, XIII, and vanilla XIV. So it was the best modern FF for a very long time.
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So what 3rd party stuff if any did Nintendo have to show? It didn't seem like much of anything unless ARMS counts because I have no idea about anything for that game. I think I saw Rocket League too. It's still early in its life, but that kinda gives me some of the same worries the Wii U did

Mario+Rabbids is third party, Ubisoft is handling it.

Three third party games highlighted in 25 minutes of Nintendo conference is not bad!
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Glad to see it being announced, grew tired of people thinking SciresM was lying about it
Thing is, I don't think Super Star Saga aged badly at all, it's still perfectly playable today and I don't think a remake will add anything to it, so not sure if I will buy it

They're adding a whole new story mode, so there is that.
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Well, Devolver was incredible, but probably shouldn't count.

Weak E3 overall, but Nintendo was great! Two Metroid games, Yoshi, Kirby, Pokémon, Xenoblade, Mario Odyssey looks amazing, and they are still announcing stuff
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Non-Retro Prime 4 is probably for the best. The original leads left a long time ago and Nintendo's internal teams know what they are doing. Also it frees Retro up to do something else.

It is interesting that we now have western 2D Metroid and Japanese Metroid Prime.
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Xenoblade's voice acting will probably sound better in the context of the game like the first.

Not a fan of the character designs though. Which is a shame because otherwise it looks great.
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Remember January when everyone was freaking out about that amazing Zelda trailer?

That might have been better.
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Loving this Odyssey song.
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Whaaaaaat
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Brummie representation surprisingly high.

Kirby!
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Dat accent
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Casual Rocket League reveal.
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So, this is 25 minutes long but will apparently be in a rapid-fire format, and the first hour of the Treehouse will have new stuff as well.

That eases my fears!

Also mainly focusing on 2017 games. Likely still some 2018 stuff though.
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Just watched it, weak show. Transience is spot on. They announced too much too quickly now they're paying the price.

I'll probably still play that SotC remake though.
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Oh no, I'm sorry! It was MrGreenonion. You quoted him and I got mixed up. >_<

That'll teach me to not double check.
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Not the same but you argued that condoms made them redundant which they don't.

Actually this topic should definitely become about contraception and the DUP. I don't think they're a fan of it!
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I was going to make a statement about how sectarianism is dumb and I've had enough of it as a British guy in Ireland with our current situation, but am shocked that somebody mentioned the DUP before I could.

Instead I'll just say that no Bowser, hormonal contraceptives and condoms are not the same, you don't say that the pill is meaningless because of female condoms. Actually there are male contraceptives in development, but they're not quite done yet. Working out the side effects.
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I cannot believe they kept this quiet.

They announced it a while back, but then said it would not be at E3 (and I guess it technically wasn't since it's just a teaser).
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Not as many horrible deaths in this Sreep presentation.
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Ah yes, snow murder.
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What was with the two random La La Land cosplayers in that dance number?
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VR thing looked cool.

Black Flag 2?
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Wow this looks really nice. Surprised at the visuals.

...And also the fact that it's XCOM.
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Maybe Trump is trying to get May to resign. Won't give her the honor of a state visit.

How the hell is that going to get her to resign.

Hell, spiting a dumbass like Trump will probably make her want to stick around.

May is terrified of upsetting Trump because she wants a trade deal she's not going to get. Hence why she has refused to criticise him for anything, only coming close when he went after Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London.

Speaking of which, thise attacks against Khan can't have anything to do with the fact that he's a Muslim, not at all.
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Some disappointments like Anthem and no Below, also not much of a pitch if you have even a mid-range PC. However, it was certainly a strong set of games.
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